Darkseid is a great villian. And he is typically well written. He is powerful, confident and highly-intelligent. He is also charismatic and very menacing. He’s everything you want a super-villian to be and usually not over-the-top for a being that wields his power. And he looks cool despite having a pretty simplistic design.
I love Superman. He is one of my most favorite characters. But I have to be honest here. The first thing that people seem to be forgetting is that Superman would be inherently weak against Goku. All of Goku's powers are ki based. Ki is a spiritual power and Superman is weak against magic and spiritual powers.
Second, Superman isn't a great hand to hand combatant. He's a brawler that relies on his brute strength and powers to defeat his opponents. In a straight up fight without his strength and powers, Clark Kent could get served in a bar fight. Goku is an expert, God level martial artist and Superman could not even come close to his level of fighting skill.
The third thing is that the ki Goku uses is incredibly versatile. In a short period of time he could use his ki to copy all of Superman's powers. Eye beams? Yup. Freeze breath? Yup. Ki can be used for anything. So Superman's powers wouldn't give him an advantage. Goku would just think they are cool and come up with his own version.
Fourth, and this is really important, Superman is not used to fighting ridiculously prolonged battles like Goku is and he is not a genius fighter like Goku is. This gives Goku a huge advantage when it comes to fighting stamina and prowess.
It doesn't pay to talk about golden age Superman, silver age…SSJ, SSJ2 Goku, whatever. Because honestly we don't know how those different forms and powers stack up against each other. Even though we like to pretend we do. So let's just say that in strength, speed, power and endurance they are equal. In that case, Superman loses based on the reasons above.
Cool fanfiction. To answer the question seriously though, Thanos was created as Marvels answer to Darkseid. At their most powerful they both have access to reality altering powers. They are analogous to each other. Thusly and appropriately the fight would end in a draw.
DC and Marvel have done a few crossovers. This happened in the ’80s, ‘90s, and maybe early 2000s. Both Superman and Green Lantern have done team-ups with the Silver Surfer. The crossover stories were so-so and really just a way to service fans of both companies and to address some who-would-win scenarios. They were fun. If you ever have an opportunity to pick one up you should. A couple of the crossovers were produced under the name Amalgam Comics.
I wouldn’t expect this to happen ever again in the comics much less the cinematic universes. Both companies are in a full-blown competition with one other now. Each universe is thoroughly unique and has found their niche. They are completely different companies so as to be mutually exclusive to one another. I would go so far as to say that Marvel’s characters, writing, and general presentation is the opposite of DC’s. DC focuses on the super-super heroic. Their characters are larger than life. Gods trying to exist in a man’s world. Marvel’s characters are your average man endowed with extrodinary abilities trying to make the world better. Even some of the God characters in Marvel demonstrate a depth of humanity that some of DC’s heroes do not. That’s why I read and love both. They each deliver such completely different stories.
So how do you make these two very different hero groups come togther? You can’t. Not without sacrificing characater integrity and neither company is going to want to do that. Also, neither company is going to want any characters on their side to lose. Finally, DC’s movie record is not good right now. If I were Marvel, I wouldn’t trust any of my characters to any writer from that team.
This kind of team-up has a lot going against it right now. I don’t think we’ll ever see it and I hope we don’t. What I want to see is DC getting their act together and start making awesome movies like Marvel. One great comic movie after another. I think that is really what we all want.
Black Bolt didn’t really do any damage to Thanos. The last time they fought was during Infinity and all Black Bolt managed to do was give Thanos a small bloody nose and shatter his armor. But he decimated (killed) Emperor Vulcan an Omega Class mutant with his power.
The roster changes from time to time but Black Bolt is generally considered to be in the top 10 of the most powerful on earth.
Darkseid was once called Uxas. He was the youngest son of Yuga Khan, one of the Old Gods. Resenting the authority of the Old Gods, Uxas rebelled and whispered lies and words of hate to the Old Gods. Eventually, due to Uxas’ influence, the Old Gods fought and killed each other. As they died Uxas stole their power eventually becoming a New God. Eventually Darkseid went to war with the weakened and vulnerable elders. In the process he persuaded his benevolent older brother, Izaya to join him, making an enemy of their father Yuga Khan. When the two sons clashed with Yuga Khan, Yugan Khan was slain by Uxas, ending the rule of the Old Gods.
Later the dying Sky God passed the last of his power to Izaya, also transforming him into a New God. Izaya tried to convince Darkseid to usher in a new age of enlightment together but Darkseid refused, destroying their world. Izaya left to create New Genesis and took the name Highfather. Darkseid made the hell-world Apokolips.
Darkseid then went on a multidimensional campaign of conquest, seeking the Anti-Life Equation, the cosmic formula that would allow him to eliminate free will and control reality.
Superman would have a hard time beating Thanos without the Infinity Gauntlet. The Infinity Gauntlet gives its wielder control over all the forces of creation. Anything that its user can imagine, they can do. And Thanos is a genius, creatively, strategically, and tactically. With the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos could turn Superman into a normal man, or, turn him into a monkey. He could ramp up his Kryptonian sensitivity to Kryptonite and then turn his blood into Kryptonite. Or he could hit him with beam that bears the full power of the universe behind it and completely destroy him. Or, he could just simply erase him from existence. You understand? The only power that stands a chance against the Infinity Gauntlet is another cosmic power of the same level or higher. Superman doesn't stand a chance. That's an understatement.
Thanos isn't gathering the infinity Stones for the purpose of defeating the avengers. He doesn't need them to do so. He is much more powerful than any one evenger and probably more powerful than all of them combined.
Thanos is gathering the stones so that he can, in his own words, “balance the universe.” The infinity stones, when used in conjunction through the infinity gauntlet, provide one with the abilities of God. The wielder can alter reality in whatever form they please, teleport, and will things in and out of existence. In the comics, Thanos’ goal is to kill half the known life in the universe to impress his lover, Death.
So to be clear, Thanos couldnt care less about the avengers and can (with the exception of plot armor) beat them with ease. However, they have come in contact with and are in possession of his greatest desire, The infinity stones themselves. So they must be dealt with.
The Presence is the fictional representation of God in the DCU. He sits above all others. The only being comparable to The Presence in the the MU is The One Above All. Which is Marvel’s fictional representation of God. So, with the presence on the team, DC wins. Now let’s remove The Presence. What do you have? Darkseid and Thanos. Darkseid literally equals as Thanos as Thanos was created as Darkseid’s analog by Marvel, Franklin Richards and Galactus; both Galactus and Franklin Richards trump Darkseid (I’m assuming this is without the anti-life equation), with Galactus being more powerful than Darkseid alone and Franklin Richards being more powerful than Galactus, and The Spectre. And there is the dark horse. Franklin Richards could be called the ultimate cosmic power. He’s a deus ex machina character to me but he is canon so you have to acknowledge him. But, the Spectre could be called the ultimate spiritual power. The Spectre was created by The Presence directly and it has been stated, more than once, that there is literally nothing that the Spectre cannot do, including manipulate cosmic forces. The Spectre entity cannot be killed and is only limited by it’s human host. Meanwhile, Franklin, while supremely powerful, is still just a man. So it comes down to your own personal opinion: Does ultimate cosmic power trump ultimate spiritual power? If you choose cosmic, Richard’s team wins. If you choose spiritual, Spectre’s team wins. I choose Spectre’s team. Cosmic power is strong, but, to me spiritual power, being the force that created the universe and everything in it, in other word’s, God’s power, trumps everything.
Great question. At first glance it would seem that Apocalypse is on par with the likes of Thanos and Darkseid, but in truth, he isn’t. He isn’t even close. First off let me say that I have always considered Thanos and Darkseid to be equal in power and status. Thanos was literally created to be Marvel’s answer to Darkseid. They are both immortal, godlike beings who, at their most powerful have access to reality altering/controlling powers. Thanos has wielded the Cosmic Cube, the Infinity Gauntlet, and the Heart of the Universe. Darkseid has wielded the Anti-Life Equation at the very least.
Thanos: Synthesizes ambient cosmic energy for use in a variety of ways, from increasing strength to firing energy blasts; also possesses a personal force field and other devices; one of the Titanian Eternals, unkillable having been rejected by Death(Mistress).
Darkseid: Formidable intellect, godlike strength and endurance, eyes fire target seeking Omega Beams, advanced Apokoliptan technology including Mother Boxes that project “Boom Tubes” for interdimensional teleportation.
And that’s just a description of their base abilities.
Now, this isn’t to say that Apocalypse is weak. He is by no means and has proven to be, in my opinion, the X-men’s most formidable enemy on more than one occasion. But, his power set is just not on the same level as Thanos and Darkseid. He’s not as strong. He’s not as durable. Apocalypse is not immortal. He pretends to be. But he is really just extraordinarily long lived. However, he would eventually die and he can be killed.
Apocolypse: Can alter the atomic structure of his body to change shape. Can increase his size by absorbing additional mass. Possesses superhuman strength, stamina, and durability; wields a suit composed of borrowed Celestial technology.
I love Apocalypse. I think he is one of Marvel’s greatest villains. If you ever get a chance to watch the ’90s X-Men cartoons you should do it. You will see an absolutely brilliant portrayal of Apocalypse. He is a powerful, menacing villain. Thanos and Darkseid are just on a different level.